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Hola tengo la siguiente consulta: el otro dia estaba tocando en vivo y de repente se murio el ampli, la luz queda encendida al prenderlo pero no emite ningun sonido; las valvulas (2 6v6 y 1 12ax7) se ven prendidas y el parlante funciona con otros amplis. Lo lleve a un tecnico en elctronica y me dijo que hay una resistencia que se quema cada vez que la cambia pero de valvulas no sabe ni mu y aca no se consiguen para comprobar si es eso. Me conviene comprar valvulas para hacer la prueba o puede ser otra cosa como los trafos o algo asi?

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Tiene loop de efectos o pre out/power in? si es así, conectá el pre out/send a algún otro ampli (bajito!) y fijate si del pre sale sonido, y también conectá al power in/return la guitarra ý fijate si sale sonido, así podés definir si la falla está en el pre o la potencia.

Si te dijeron que hay una resistencia que se quema, según cual sea, se puede cambiar por una de mayor wattaje, PERO eso depende de que lugar tenga en el circuito, también que la resistencia se queme puede ser signo de problema en otro lado.

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Chicos el line out tiene sonido. Anda los dos canales y todos los efectos digitales. Lo probe un toque y me parecio sentir un toque de olor a quemado asique apague de toque.

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La forma de diagnosticarlo es ver que R es la que se quema. Normalmente son las de las Rs de potencia, probaría cambiandolas si la cosa viene por ahí. Eso es frecuente en ese tipo de amps.

 

Si tenés plano y número de R sería genial.

 

 

 

Ale, el plano no lo tengo pero enconrte esta info en un foro, :

 

I've seen two dead ones so far, both with the same fault - a failed "choke" resistor (R79, 1K 2W) in the power supply. It happens when a power valve shorts and the fuse doesn't blow quickly enough, but the problem is that it means that even if you replace the valves and the fuse the amp still doesn't work until the resistor is changed as well. It's a ten-minute (if that) job for a tech, but unless you're handy working on valve (high voltage) circuits, not DIY. I replaced them with 5W heavier-duty wirewounds to give a better chance of it surviving the next time, but it is an inherent problem with this type of design.

 

I can't say whether this is a good or bad failure rate - I'd guess they've sold a fair number of these amps. Would I buy one used? Yes. The cost of the repair is less than what you'll save - even if it does fail - and there's no guarantee a new one won't do so at an inopportune moment anyway, even if you get the repair for free afterwards.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by jpfamps View Post

A brief perusal of the schematic would suggest that this is another Fender amp without an HT fuse, which obviously will imperil the "choke" resistor.

 

Although oddly the other windings, including the filament windings, have been lavished with their own fuse.

I know, this is something that drives me mad too.

 

In their defence, even an HT fuse won't necessarily stop this - the problem is that the resistor is a relatively large value (1K). If the fuse is 250mA (typical value for a 20W amp), then the power dissipation in the resistor can be up to 62.5W before the fuse even blows. Obviously a 2W resistor has no chance, and a 5W not much more, really... and it becomes space-prohibitive to do any better than that. It's a race between the resistor and the fuse, and a ceramic-cased high-temperature wirewound can have a momentary rating of 10 times the constant dissipation or more, but it's still cutting it very fine.

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