Pinturas usadas en guitarras FENDER...mito y realidad.

[Ariel Pozzo Seredicz]

All Fender Guitars made since 1963 are Polyester coated

 

Fact:

All Fender Guitars made since 1963 are Polyester coated. Lacquer is put on top of the poly to satisfy the general publics belief that Nitro Cellulose (nitro) Lacquer finished guitars \"breathe\", \"dry\" and generally have become the bottom line for creating great tome. I'm talking USA, Vintage collectable instruments that the general public has bought, traded, and sold for over 50 years. They came from the Fender factory with a hard plastic jacket underneath it. a suffocating wolf, masquerading under a cloak of Lacquer Fender later switched to 100% Poly and UltraViolet cured resin on Squire, Mexican, Japanese, some USA and all other imports till this day.

 

Fact:

The two-part catalyzed coating named \"Fullerplast\" (Fuller for Fuller O'Brien, the products creator, and plast for the obvious PLASTIC\"), solved all of Fenders finishing problems; encasing the deep wood pores in a self-hardening plastic that wrapped the body in a rock-hard solid coffin. In some cases we have found it to be as thick as a.060 string. Yes, all of the wood moisture and characteristics are sealed in a virtual time-capsule, only to be vented from the body through screw holes and paint fractures. Share this info and be the hit of your next guitar gathering!

 

Fact:

Fender rarely mentions Fullerplast, or the way it prepares its bodies before applying Lacquer. If they mention it at all

So, when someone tells you that a Fender \"nitro-cellulose\" or \"nitro\" finished guitar will sound better, have more warmth, or will dry out... they really don't have the full story.

 

Ask any seasoned guitar craftsman what happens when you will apply paint stripper to a Fender \"nitro\" finish. The nitro color comes off within minutes, leaving the guitar with a rock-hard plastic coating that can not be removed with any chemical means. Sandpaper barely scratches this coating, but will remove it with mechanical help. Heat Guns will remove the coating, but not by softening it. Apply heat to the Fullerplast coating and it will remain solid until about 300F, at which time it will crack, and pop off of the guitar.

It's a fact, , its scientific, and it's the skeleton in Fenders closet, that they never want to be seen. They have kept it locked away like a bastard child, allowing players, collectors, and experts to spread the \"nitro\" legend as the holy-grail of tone!

 

When did Fender start the plastic coating process, and why?

 

Most experts agree that Fullerplast was started to be used by Fender in 1963

There are many experts that are willing to share the facts with the guitar community, just as I am.

The most time consuming part of finishing a solid guitar body, is the process of filling the wood pores, and allowing the paint to lay flay, with a gloss found on Grand Pianos, or automobiles. Fender needed a fast and easy solution in order speed up production during the guitar craze of the early 1960s. Encasing the wood in a smooth, hard, \"glass\" jacket would eliminate up to 20 hours in each body prep. Fender even experimented with a hot dip that resembled a candy apple method. The problem was that the dip mixture would need to be at a temperature that would damage the wood, or cause body moisture to create \"steam pops\" in the coating

When Fender switched to Alder (from Ash) as it's primary body wood in mid 1956, many books and authorities state Fender started using the product called \"Fullerplast\" This is a very misunderstood product. For example, there is a picture in Tom Wheeler's American Guitars, page 54 (upper left corner), of a man with long rubber gloves dipping bodies into a tank at Fender in the late 1950's. The description incorrectly denotes the man is applying Fullerplast to the bodies. Most likely, this man is staining the Alder bodies yellow, a process used on Alder from 1956 and later before spraying the sunburst finish.. Thanks to VintageGuitarHQ for this info

Fullerplast is a clear, sprayed chemically curing sealer, unaffected by solvents after it dries. It's invention is often given credit to Fuller O'Brien (but often though to be named after the city of Fullerton, the home of Fender) Whether either is the case, it is now manufactured and distributed by Van Dee

Fullerplast soaks into the wood and creates a seal that prevents following coats from soaking into the wood like a sponge. This means spraying the color coats is easier and the coats can be applied thinner (saving material, money and dry time). Even though alder is a \"closed pore\" wood, the first few coats of lacquer will soak in like a sponge without some type of sealer coat. Fullerplast dries in 15 minutes, and is paintable in one hour. It is also applied very thin.

Most experts agree the actual product Fullerplast actually started to be used around 1963 at Fender. Prior to that, Fender used other products as their sealer coat, but they did the same thing. The sealer allowed any color coat (be it sunburst or a custom color) to not soak into the wood. Since the sealer is essentially a clear inexpensive primer, less color would be needed (and color costs a lot more money than a cheap sealer).

Another misconception about Fullerplast is it's color. The sealers Fender used including Fullerplast were clear, not yellow. The yellow seen in the unpainted portions of a 1956 and later Alder body is actually a stain or dye applied under the sealer coat. This was used to simplify the sunbursting process. The Alder bodies are dipped in a vat of yellow stain/dye. Next the Alder body is sealed with a very thin coat of clear sealer (i.e. \"Fullerplast\"). After drying, the sunburst procedure is continued by spraying the translucent red (starting in 1958) and dark blackish-brown on the edges of the body, which completes the sunburst look. Finally a clear coat is sprayed over the entire body to seal the colors. By dipping the alder bodies in a yellow stain first, instead of spraying yellow lacquer, there is one less step of lacquer to mix, spray, and dry. *

By fall 1964, Fender changed the yellow making it more whitish and opaque to better hide flaws in the wood. This allowed Fender to use cheaper Alder with more cosmetic flaws. The more whitish yellow was then sprayed over the sealer coat, as were the red and brown of the Sunburst. That is why the red and yellow now looks much different on late 1964 and later Fenders. This new whitish-yellow bleeds through the translucent red making it more orangish. Note that even though Fender was now spraying the yellow after the Fullerplast, they still continued to stain or dye the bodies yellow before the sealer coat.

Current use of Polyester and UV coatings on Fender Guitars.

Probably cause for another article is the case of Ultra Violet cured paints and sealers now used by most production guitar manufacturers. UV allows a very thick and durable coating to be applied directly over bare wood without any need for pore filling. UV cures the paint to its hardest state within minutes, not allowing the finish to soak into the wood.

If you have ever chipped an Ibanez guitar, you know what I mean.

Essentially, beneath every vintage Fender is an Ibanez coating in-waiting for you.

The next time someone brags about how good their \"lacquer\" Fender guitar sounds, because it breathes, try this.

 

Take a cotton swab dipped nail polish remover, and take a wipe at an inconspicuous area on the guitar. Either

1) The finish will remain un-touched, or

2) You will wipe away the color coat, and see the rock-hard, insoluble Fullerplast.

 

If all the finish comes off and you get to bare wood, the Fender guitar has been stripped and refinished.

[Ariel Pozzo Seredicz]

Fullerplast is a clear, sprayed chemically curing sealer, unaffected by solvents after it dries. It's invention is often given credit to Fuller O'Brien (but often though to be named after the city of Fullerton, the home of Fender) Whether either is the case, it is now manufactured and distributed by Van Dee

 

Fullerplast soaks into the wood and creates a seal that prevents following coats from soaking into the wood like a sponge. This means spraying the color coats is easier and the coats can be applied thinner (saving material, money and dry time). Even though alder is a \"closed pore\" wood, the first few coats of lacquer will soak in like a sponge without some type of sealer coat. Fullerplast dries in 15 minutes, and is paintable in one hour. It is also applied very thin.

Most experts agree the actual product Fullerplast actually started to be used around 1963 at Fender. Prior to that, Fender used other products as their sealer coat, but they did the same thing. The sealer allowed any color coat (be it sunburst or a custom color) to not soak into the wood. Since the sealer is essentially a clear inexpensive primer, less color would be needed (and color costs a lot more money than a cheap sealer).

 

Another misconception about Fullerplast is it's color. The sealers Fender used including Fullerplast were clear, not yellow. The yellow seen in the unpainted portions of a 1956 and later Alder body is actually a stain or dye applied under the sealer coat. This was used to simplify the sunbursting process. The Alder bodies are dipped in a vat of yellow stain/dye. Next the Alder body is sealed with a very thin coat of clear sealer (i.e. \"Fullerplast\"). After drying, the sunburst procedure is continued by spraying the translucent red (starting in 1958) and dark blackish-brown on the edges of the body, which completes the sunburst look. Finally a clear coat is sprayed over the entire body to seal the colors. By dipping the alder bodies in a yellow stain first, instead of spraying yellow lacquer, there is one less step of lacquer to mix, spray, and dry. *

 

By fall 1964, Fender changed the yellow making it more whitish and opaque to better hide flaws in the wood. This allowed Fender to use cheaper Alder with more cosmetic flaws. The more whitish yellow was then sprayed over the sealer coat, as were the red and brown of the Sunburst. That is why the red and yellow now looks much different on late 1964 and later Fenders. This new whitish-yellow bleeds through the translucent red making it more orangish. Note that even though Fender was now spraying the yellow after the Fullerplast, they still continued to stain or dye the bodies yellow before the sealer coat.

 

Current use of Polyester and UV coatings on Fender Guitars.

Probably cause for another article is the case of Ultra Violet cured paints and sealers now used by most production guitar manufacturers. UV allows a very thick and durable coating to be applied directly over bare wood without any need for pore filling. UV cures the paint to its hardest state within minutes, not allowing the finish to soak into the wood.

 

If you have ever chipped an Ibanez guitar, you know what I mean.

Essentially, beneath every vintage Fender is an Ibanez coating in-waiting for you.

 

WIN A BET,

BUT GET A PUNCH

The next time someone brags about how good their \"lacquer\" Fender guitar sounds, because it breathes, try this.

 

Take a cotton swab dipped nail polish remover, and take a wipe at an inconspicuous area on the guitar. Either

1) The finish will remain un-touched, or

2) You will wipe away the color coat, and see the rock-hard, insoluble Fullerplast.

 

If all the finish comes off and you get to bare wood, the Fender guitar has been stripped and refinished.

[Dinosaurio Viviente]

:o :o :o Entonces....Era todo mentira???? Será cierto Ariel esto? de donde lo sacaste?

[Rogelio_Aguas]

 

Current use of Polyester and UV coatings on Fender Guitars.

Probably cause for another article is the case of Ultra Violet cured paints and sealers now used by most production guitar manufacturers. UV allows a very thick and durable coating to be applied directly over bare wood without any need for pore filling. UV cures the paint to its hardest state within minutes, not allowing the finish to soak into the wood.

 

 

A ver si entiendo... con secado ultra violeta la misma pintura y no el sellador se seca en 15 min antes de ser absorvida por la madera.... eso es bueno no?

[Ariel Pozzo Seredicz]

Esta info es correcta y proviene de una fuente confiable.

El que escribió eso es George Gruhn, una autoridad en instrumentos vintage.

Si, derriba muchos mitos. :o

[Ariel Pozzo Seredicz]

A ver si entiendo... con secado ultra violeta la misma pintura y no el sellador se seca en 15 min antes de ser absorvida por la madera.... eso es bueno no?

 

Si, las pinturas Ultravioletas se secan tan rápido que la madera no las absorbe, lo que evita el uso de sellador como el Fullerplast.

Evidentemente es mucho mejor así.

[Juan_01]

Hace mucho leí un artículo de un coleccionista británico (desgraciadamente no lo copié) que decía que había comprado una strato '64 2-tone-burst repintada arriba con poliuretano rojo transparenton.

 

Como la \"imaculades\" ya la había perdido decidió pelarla y repintarla bien con nitro avegentado mandándosela a un restaurador de violines.

 

Como era medio fana decidió hacer pruebas a como estaba, toda pelada y después con el acabado nitro. Concluía que no influía en nada y menos en el sonido.

 

Hasta donde había leído hace años la historia era esta:

 

Most experts agree the actual product \"Fullerplast\" (as made by Fuller O'Brien) actually started to be used around 1963 at Fender. Prior to that, Fender used other products as their sealer coat, but they did the same thing. The sealer allowed any color coat (be it sunburst or a custom color) to not soak into the wood. Since the sealer is essentially a clear inexpensive primer, less color would be needed (and color costs a lot more money than a cheap sealer).

 

Another misconception about Fullerplast is it's color. The sealers Fender used including Fullerplast was clear, not yellow. The yellow seen in the unpainted portions of a 1956 and later Alder body is actually a stain or dye applied under the sealer coat. This was used to simplify the sunbursting process. The Alder bodies are dipped in a vat of yellow stain/dye. Next the Alder body is sealed with a very thin coat of clear sealer (i.e. \"Fullerplast\"). After drying, the sunburst procedure is continued by spraying the translucent red (starting in 1958) and dark blackish-brown on the edges of the body, which completes the sunburst look. Finally a clear coat is sprayed over the entire body to seal the colors. By dipping the alder bodies in a yellow stain first, instead of spraying yellow lacquer, there is one less step of lacquer to mix, spray, and dry. *

 

By fall 1964, Fender changed the yellow making it more whitish and opaque to better hide flaws in the wood. This allowed Fender to use cheaper Alder with more cosmetic flaws. The more whitish yellow was then sprayed over the sealer coat, as were the red and brown of the Sunburst. That is why the red and yellow now looks much different on late 1964 and later Fenders. This new whitish-yellow bleeds through the translucent red making it more orangish. Note that even though Fender was now spraying the yellow after the Fullerplast, they still continued to stain or dye the bodies yellow before the sealer coat.

 

 

Abrazo

Juan.

[Rogelio_Aguas]

No me cierra que las Squier, las Fender mim y mij usen UV y solo algunas Usa lo hagan... El resto de las violas sigue usando fullerplast o usan otro metodo?

[Ariel Pozzo Seredicz]

Hace mucho leí un artículo de un coleccionista británico (desgraciadamente no lo copié) que decía que había comprado una strato '64 2-tone-burst repintada arriba con poliuretano rojo transparenton.

 

Como la "imaculades" ya la había perdido decidió pelarla y repintarla bien con nitro avegentado mandándosela a un restaurador de violines.

 

Como era medio fana decidió hacer pruebas a como estaba, toda pelada y después con el acabado nitro. Concluía que no influía en nada y menos en el sonido.

 

Hasta donde había leído hace años la historia era esta:

 

Most experts agree the actual product "Fullerplast" (as made by Fuller O'Brien) actually started to be used around 1963 at Fender. Prior to that, Fender used other products as their sealer coat, but they did the same thing. The sealer allowed any color coat (be it sunburst or a custom color) to not soak into the wood. Since the sealer is essentially a clear inexpensive primer, less color would be needed (and color costs a lot more money than a cheap sealer).

 

Another misconception about Fullerplast is it's color. The sealers Fender used including Fullerplast was clear, not yellow. The yellow seen in the unpainted portions of a 1956 and later Alder body is actually a stain or dye applied under the sealer coat. This was used to simplify the sunbursting process. The Alder bodies are dipped in a vat of yellow stain/dye. Next the Alder body is sealed with a very thin coat of clear sealer (i.e. "Fullerplast"). After drying, the sunburst procedure is continued by spraying the translucent red (starting in 1958) and dark blackish-brown on the edges of the body, which completes the sunburst look. Finally a clear coat is sprayed over the entire body to seal the colors. By dipping the alder bodies in a yellow stain first, instead of spraying yellow lacquer, there is one less step of lacquer to mix, spray, and dry. *

 

By fall 1964, Fender changed the yellow making it more whitish and opaque to better hide flaws in the wood. This allowed Fender to use cheaper Alder with more cosmetic flaws. The more whitish yellow was then sprayed over the sealer coat, as were the red and brown of the Sunburst. That is why the red and yellow now looks much different on late 1964 and later Fenders. This new whitish-yellow bleeds through the translucent red making it more orangish. Note that even though Fender was now spraying the yellow after the Fullerplast, they still continued to stain or dye the bodies yellow before the sealer coat.

 

 

Abrazo

Juan.

 

Lo que posteé yo dice exactamente lo mismo! :o

:lol: :lol:

[Ariel Pozzo Seredicz]

No me cierra que las Squier, las Fender mim y mij usen UV y solo algunas Usa lo hagan... El resto de las violas sigue usando fullerplast o usan otro metodo?

 

Lo que dice la nota es que hoy en día se utiliza pintura UV para las guitarras de producción. Las Relic y Custom Shop usan Nitro, como se usaba originalmente en los '50s.

Una American Series, por ejemplo, usa UV. Las Mexico y Japon también.

Supongo que Squier también, ya que la pintura UV es mucho más económica de aplicar al no usar sellador.

[Juan_01]

Lo que posteé yo dice exactamente lo mismo! :o

:lol: :lol:

 

Sí Ariel, hasta con papel de calcar jajaja, por eso cité un cachito nomás. Lo que quise reflejar es que quizás citamos fuentes distintas y todas llegan mas o menos a lo mismo. Lo debí haber aclarado, me lo comí de boludo nomás, perdón.

 

El flaco de http://www.provide.net/~cfh/fenderc.html (ya citado) tiene los mismos párrafos. Quizás no comparto 100% con él cuando da su opinión pero cuando cita hay mucha info para sacar conclusiones personales.

 

Abrazo

Juan.

[Juan]

Yo tengo una Strato 1972 mocha brown, la pintura transparente de la caja es nitro, la base es otra cosa no soluble en thinner, el mango es todo poliester, menos la pala con la calco Fender es nitro, es una ensalada.

 

Saludos,

 

Juan.

[Alex Rubio]

esta interesante esto de desenterrar viejos topics... creo que la informacion es de primera; George Gruhn es un grosso y eso no se discute, pero hubo alguna confusion por malinterpretarla.

 

El Fullerplast solo se utilizo durante poco mas de un año y fue por el 63, pero el esquema se mantuvo nitro hasta el año 69, hasta que comenzo "la ensalada" de base poliester y finish nitro, con una laca nitro cargadiiiiisimaaaa de plastificante y la hacia repegajosa; se marcaba por nada y hasta se pegaba la felpa de los estuches!!! cuando la limpiabas con blem se ponia blancuzca y despues al secarse recuperaba la transparencia;

 

despues se cambio (segun Duchossoir, no me consta) a una capa final poliuretanica, y despues a un esquema completamente poliester (sobre todo las japonesas de fuji gen gakki)

 

todo esto por el bien de la economia y la rapidez, no por la calidad y el sonido.

 

un abrazo.

[Ariel Pozzo Seredicz]

Interesante reflotar esto.

[RCB]

Lo interesante de la mitología guitarrística es que, como cualquier otro pensamiento mágico, resiste cualquier intento de divulgación de la verdad. Es a prueba de "facts" ;)

[Chango]

Les paso un link que puede ser interesante.

Aclaro que esta en ingles pero tiene muchas imagenes y es bastante descriptivo :

 

 

http://home.provide.net/~cfh/fenderc.html

 

 

xxx

 

Chango

[MRider]

Les paso un link que puede ser interesante.

Aclaro que esta en ingles pero tiene muchas imagenes y es bastante descriptivo :

 

 

http://home.provide.net/~cfh/fenderc.html

 

 

xxx

 

Chango

 

Impresionante artículo! Muchas gracias.